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Old Vicarage Windmill Hill Co-Housing Co-operative 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 1  
Old Vicarage Windmill Hill Housing Cooperative needs people!

The Old Vicarage on Windmill Hill is an enormously spacious house built to be both a family home and partly a community space, and it’s also next door to a proposed Community Land Trust (CLT) site, the old Baptist Church. Now the Old Vicarage has come up for sale as well recently, and we’re hoping to find 2-3 other young couples to buy it jointly as a Housing Coop. The price for the Old Vicarage is very good value for money: based on four couples sharing, it would be equivalent to about 150m2 per couple (counting 1/4 of 120m2 1st floor and all of the ground floor as shared) at up to £125k each, but how much we would each have to fund and how (equity and/or borrowing) still depends on the exact legal model we go for and what kind of lending we can find. http://www.cjhole.co.uk/property-details/avon/bristol/windmill-hill

If you’re a young couple looking for a first family home, who may be able afford to buy some kind of place but probably could not afford somewhere really suitable for a family otherwise, if you have fairly compatible values of sustainability and ethics, and would love to live in a spacious family home with both some private space and some communal spaces, and with more space and more garden than any of us could possibly afford separately, please get in contact as soon as possible!

Our plan is to form a Housing Coop initially and incorporate it as a registered Industrial & Provident Society (IPS). If the plan to make the old Baptist Church next door into a Community Land Trust (CLT) also goes ahead, then it would probably be an advantage to combine with them later. One of the advantages of a CLT is it creates a legal ‘asset lock’ making the house and land a community asset in perpetuity, ensuring that any development has to be in accordance with the benefit of the wider community as well as any residents. The legal constitution would definitely include provisions for people to sell on the proportion they then own as easily as possible when they want to leave and for residents to potentially buy out other residents by mutual agreement when people have children and need more space again. We’re budgeting on trying to get together considerably more than the asking price, because competition on offers for the house sounds likely to be intense according to the estate agents, CJ Hole, and if we find we have some money left after buying it, then we can apply it to insulation and installing more efficient heating (wood stove+boiler hopefully) before next winter, and at some point we’ll probably feel we need to make a second shower room too.

First we need to find more people with money to participate, by Saturday 2nd April when our viewing is booked. If the vendor is sympathetic then and agrees to allow us enough time to get legally established and get the money together to back up our offer, we can apply for lending as a pending ltd company from Triodos ethical bank and the Cooperatives Development Agency. When enough people have expressed an interest, we’ll try to arrange a meeting with everyone plus hopefully a representative from CDA and the two existing housing coops I know of in Bristol already set up to fully discuss and decide the legal and financial details together.

Contacts: Kester Ratcliff, 07769 113533 (after 5pm weekdays) or This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , or Jackson Moulding of Ecomotive and the Bristol Community Land Trust on 0117 9241263 or 07747 802201 (office hours) or This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .

I'm going to meet the vendor this evening at 7pm, luckily as it happens he's spent his life working in setting up Community Gardens and City Farms, and is on the Board of the European Federation of City Farms, so it seems highly likely that he'll be sympathetic to our plans as long as we sound convincing enough that we can and will get the money and people and legal structure organised effectively to buy it in a reasonable time and at the normal market price, which is very good value anyway.

Things are moving very fast on this, so please get in contact ASAP if you're at all interested, or help spread the word to friends and anyone you think might be interested and suitable.

Thanks!
 
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Re:Old Vicarage Windmill Hill Co-Housing Co-operative 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 1  
I just went to meet the vendor, had tea and a chat for about an hour and looked all round.

He said he would love to see it become a Housing Coop like this. He envisages making a decision on offers not before the end of May or possibly into June, which means we very probably do have enough time. He needs to move out tho and needs the money to fund his retirement because he's been ill the last two years and sounds like he has no other income, so he really can't afford to extend the sale time period too much. He's selling by sealed bids partly because he definitely does not want it to go to a developer who would split it up into 4-6 flats and ruin it. As I expected, he's very, very sympathetic to our plan, and I think basically if we can get ourselves organised in time (by the end of May it sounds like) then I think he'd probably prefer to sell it to us, even if it ours wasn't absolutely the highest offer.

It needs more work doing than I first thought- the main thing is that there used to be another wing on the end, which was partly wood and eventually needed taking down, but there are still 5ft deep foundations and no need for planning permission to put the two story SW wing back again. The end wall where the old servants quarters were was not designed to be that exposed, so it's damp because it's exposed to all the weather. As a short-medium term fix, I think a cheap n simple way to fix that problem would be to make a scaffolding and timber frame 'glazed' with low-E ETFE plastic (which is v cheap and almost as good U-value as double-glazing) 'conservatory', and put a temporary door on the staircase opening on the 1st floor so that the heat gathered in the conservatory could be let into the upstairs and circulate around the house. Once the end wall is protected from the weather, the damp damaged parts on the inside just needs replastering and repainting. That much we could do ourselves fairly cheaply. It also needs a new boiler, but there's a working chimneys in the first lounge off the kitchen which could have a wood stove+boiler. There's also a big loft which ultimately could be converted into another bedroom as well, altho the design of the beams would make that a very big job.

It's extremely solidly well built in every way. It's absolutely gorgeous. With a bunch of young people working on it together, I reckon we could make it at least fairly comfortable by winter not too expensively and ultimately it's potential is even more amazing than I thought before I saw it.

I was mistaken about it being next door the old Baptist church which is another potential CLT site. Actually the church it's next door to is the CoE church, which apparently is quite High Church and also quite evangelical. But the old Baptist church is just down the hill a bit, not very far away, so it would still work to operate them slightly connectedly.

Also, I didn't fully realise before just how close to the park it is- it's literally just over the fence, or down the steps and round the corner. My fiance and I both thought simultaneously independently that it would mean we could use the house's own garden for vegetables and a dog run, and use the park for lounging around on grass, etc.

I'm not so convinced now that there's really enough space for 4 young couples -it would be possible, but I'm now thinking maybe a mixture of two young couples and two older people or retirees -I've heard from a friend at Quakers who's hoping to set up a Housing Coop with a few older friends to support each other, and who expressed some interest in being nearby or mixing with younger people for mutual benefit. So I'm going to ask her if she'd be interested.

Please get in contact even if you're just interested and not sure you can or want to commit, I'm interested in the whole idea of co-housing and cooperative living generally, and talking to people who may actually want different things will help clarify my thinking around how best to organise this one at least.

Thanks for reading again!
 
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Re:Old Vicarage Windmill Hill Co-Housing Co-operative 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
ChinapplePunks,

Sounds like the Cohousing Forum is just the place for you. The purpose of the forum is to put people who are interested in cohousing in touch with each other. It's not a cohousing group itself. It helps those with similar requirements or ideas for a particular project to hook up and is a place for those with experience of cohousing to share their knowledge and wisdom.

As luck would have it, our April meeting is next Monday (4th). Come along. More details can be found at the CohoF website.

Hope to see you there.
Best regards,
Neil Elliot.
 
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Re:Old Vicarage Windmill Hill Co-Housing Co-operative 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 1  
Hi Neil

I thought the CohoF is a face to face meeting forum but I was looking for an internet forum to get the message out as quickly as possible, but I'll also try to come to the next CohoF meeting.

If you do have an email mailing list and if you'd be prepared to alert the whole mailing list (assuming that a small proportion of the email mailing list actually turn up to meetings regularly), that'd be great. I'm about to write up a much shorter blurb that will direct people to the new Groupspaces website to keep all the info and progress in one place on the web.

Any questions please call me. 07769 113533

Thanks
Kester
 
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I see lots of people are viewing but so far hardly anyone responding. If you're interested in the idea but something about it is putting you off, please also let me know, that'd be really helpful!
 
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